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		<title>By: Lint22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lint22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come this seems so familiar...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wait a sec if I&#039;m not mistaken did this not happen with DeviantART several years back? It&#039;s like &quot;here submit your content&quot; thanks a bunch, now we will do whatever we want with it because it&#039;s ours now. Thanks for visiting come again. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I had put some images of paintings I&#039;ve done for friends and families to see (I&#039;ve limited my photos and images to friends and family only) and before this recent change figured it was a safe way of exhibiting work I&#039;ve been doing while at university. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s scary because these websites can do whatever they want with your media. I mean sure we all know what images are put up on the internet are easily up for grabs and you don&#039;t know who is saving them to their computers... but it&#039;s not as frightening as when a company or site lays a claim to your work, your image and your information for that matter. Basically giving you no legal right to do anything to them if they choose to sell your work or give your work and images out to other companies I bet to use for who knows what.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s next to the fact that these networking places more then likely are passing on all your given info out to marketing teams so they can reach you better and advertise directly to your preferences. They got to make money somehow I suppose. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I am going to have to take down any images I don&#039;t want them to own now apparently. I don&#039;t think I even got a new notice or anything about this new policy within the last weeks as well. It&#039;s good to see someone putting this information up and clarifying it for people. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again said to see a website go out and do this to it&#039;s users. It&#039;s a slap in the face. Much like the slap in the fact I got from dA when they had this similar policy... which I&#039;m not even sure exactly if that&#039;s been revised and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come this seems so familiar&#8230;</p>
<p>Wait a sec if I&#39;m not mistaken did this not happen with DeviantART several years back? It&#39;s like &#8220;here submit your content&#8221; thanks a bunch, now we will do whatever we want with it because it&#39;s ours now. Thanks for visiting come again. </p>
<p>Personally I had put some images of paintings I&#39;ve done for friends and families to see (I&#39;ve limited my photos and images to friends and family only) and before this recent change figured it was a safe way of exhibiting work I&#39;ve been doing while at university. </p>
<p>It&#39;s scary because these websites can do whatever they want with your media. I mean sure we all know what images are put up on the internet are easily up for grabs and you don&#39;t know who is saving them to their computers&#8230; but it&#39;s not as frightening as when a company or site lays a claim to your work, your image and your information for that matter. Basically giving you no legal right to do anything to them if they choose to sell your work or give your work and images out to other companies I bet to use for who knows what.   </p>
<p>That&#39;s next to the fact that these networking places more then likely are passing on all your given info out to marketing teams so they can reach you better and advertise directly to your preferences. They got to make money somehow I suppose. </p>
<p>Personally I am going to have to take down any images I don&#39;t want them to own now apparently. I don&#39;t think I even got a new notice or anything about this new policy within the last weeks as well. It&#39;s good to see someone putting this information up and clarifying it for people. </p>
<p>Again said to see a website go out and do this to it&#39;s users. It&#39;s a slap in the face. Much like the slap in the fact I got from dA when they had this similar policy&#8230; which I&#39;m not even sure exactly if that&#39;s been revised and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jarkoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jarkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agreed. And with those legal loopholes in place, in the event the companies ever got bought by someone with evil intentions, the mechanisms would exist to allow them to screw users over. So yeah, indeed, it is a good thing to see Facebook reacting and listening to their frustrated user base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agreed. And with those legal loopholes in place, in the event the companies ever got bought by someone with evil intentions, the mechanisms would exist to allow them to screw users over. So yeah, indeed, it is a good thing to see Facebook reacting and listening to their frustrated user base.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that dA didn&#039;t mean harm, same for FB. But the legal loopholes are in place for them to &quot;abuse&quot; the users and that is not right. Glad that FB is reacting so quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sure that dA didn&#39;t mean harm, same for FB. But the legal loopholes are in place for them to &#8220;abuse&#8221; the users and that is not right. Glad that FB is reacting so quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jarkoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jarkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not disagree with your basic thoughts, however that was not the issue in this instance. The Facebook TOS issue was far deeper and more important than what may be seen at face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not disagree with your basic thoughts, however that was not the issue in this instance. The Facebook TOS issue was far deeper and more important than what may be seen at face value.</p>
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		<title>By: meeting rooms edinburgh </title>
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		<dc:creator>meeting rooms edinburgh </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a good rule of thumb is to just presume that anything you put on the internet is out there forever and ever regardless if you want it there or not. Follow that logic, and no TOS will catch you off guard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a good rule of thumb is to just presume that anything you put on the internet is out there forever and ever regardless if you want it there or not. Follow that logic, and no TOS will catch you off guard.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jarkoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jarkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ToS fiasco on deviantART has never fully been reconciled - the whole thing was &quot;finished&quot; thanks to smoke and mirrors. This is not to say that DA ever intended to do harm to the users, because I honestly do not believe they desire such a perception, but that the document still needs some major revisions before it could be considered completely helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ToS fiasco on deviantART has never fully been reconciled &#8211; the whole thing was &#8220;finished&#8221; thanks to smoke and mirrors. This is not to say that DA ever intended to do harm to the users, because I honestly do not believe they desire such a perception, but that the document still needs some major revisions before it could be considered completely helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Newks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty much the way the internet has always been though - because this whole social networking thing is so new and so mysterious to such a broad userbase, there&#039;s always going to be the seemier underside to it where everything is evil and everyone is trying to steal your shit without you being able to do anything about it. That&#039;s very much what I found with dA when the first rewrite happened, there was a massive notion of this whole evil monopoly effect run by shadowy figures with little more than spades of cruel intention.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From here on, I think Facebook need to choose their wording &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; carefully. Leaving it so open-ended, while yes, it does protect them in terms of ability to be litigated, harms their relationship with the userbase that sustains them. Perhaps there needs to be an amendment made to reflect that anything content-based can only be reproduced and displayed by the site on certain services and that all content cannot be used for revenue generation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How&#039;d you get around it with the introduction of dA Mobile in the end of it all anyway? I stopped paying attention eventually because it all became clear like mud with how much bullshit everyone was speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s pretty much the way the internet has always been though &#8211; because this whole social networking thing is so new and so mysterious to such a broad userbase, there&#39;s always going to be the seemier underside to it where everything is evil and everyone is trying to steal your shit without you being able to do anything about it. That&#39;s very much what I found with dA when the first rewrite happened, there was a massive notion of this whole evil monopoly effect run by shadowy figures with little more than spades of cruel intention.</p>
<p>From here on, I think Facebook need to choose their wording <i>very</i> carefully. Leaving it so open-ended, while yes, it does protect them in terms of ability to be litigated, harms their relationship with the userbase that sustains them. Perhaps there needs to be an amendment made to reflect that anything content-based can only be reproduced and displayed by the site on certain services and that all content cannot be used for revenue generation.</p>
<p>How&#39;d you get around it with the introduction of dA Mobile in the end of it all anyway? I stopped paying attention eventually because it all became clear like mud with how much bullshit everyone was speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I hardly upload pictures on FB. And if I do they are snapshots, so not commercially viable.&lt;br&gt;And I also remember the ToS fiasco on dA and that is still not fully resolved (and I&#039;m sure dA doesn&#039;t have intention to).&lt;br&gt;To me the size of online apps like these is that for every user has a problem with something there&#039;s a million that don&#039;t care and they use that leverage to whatever they please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s why I hardly upload pictures on FB. And if I do they are snapshots, so not commercially viable.<br />And I also remember the ToS fiasco on dA and that is still not fully resolved (and I&#39;m sure dA doesn&#39;t have intention to).<br />To me the size of online apps like these is that for every user has a problem with something there&#39;s a million that don&#39;t care and they use that leverage to whatever they please.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom/LorriM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom/LorriM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, concise and filled with clarity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It certainly reminds me of the dA fiasco with their TOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, concise and filled with clarity.</p>
<p>It certainly reminds me of the dA fiasco with their TOS.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jarkoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jarkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, everyone should read the small print but as we all know people rarely do. It takes too much time and we&#039;re usually in a hurry to complete the sign-in process. At least this was caught early, so it should be interesting to see how it turns out in the end,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, everyone should read the small print but as we all know people rarely do. It takes too much time and we&#39;re usually in a hurry to complete the sign-in process. At least this was caught early, so it should be interesting to see how it turns out in the end,</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook Relents on Terms of Service Updates Thanks To Community Pressure! :: TechMiso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook Relents on Terms of Service Updates Thanks To Community Pressure! :: TechMiso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the ill will surrounding the recent modifications made to Facebook’s Terms of Service, the company relented thanks to the community pressure, reverting the document back to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all the ill will surrounding the recent modifications made to Facebook’s Terms of Service, the company relented thanks to the community pressure, reverting the document back to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: YorickPeterse</title>
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		<dc:creator>YorickPeterse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, this article made me laugh (and not only because of the title).&lt;br&gt;I find it quite hilarious that facebook wants to claim full rights of everything, even when you leave facebook. This is just another reason why you should always atleast read a small bit of a TOS when signing up for a website or service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, this article made me laugh (and not only because of the title).<br />I find it quite hilarious that facebook wants to claim full rights of everything, even when you leave facebook. This is just another reason why you should always atleast read a small bit of a TOS when signing up for a website or service.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jarkoff</title>
		<link>http://techmiso.com/1005/facebooks-new-terms-of-service-trust-us-because-were-not-evil-no-really/comment-page-1/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jarkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agreed. I think most folks would agree with that sentiment. This is why it&#039;s important for the TOS to reflect such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not really that hard. The problem with Facebook, as with deviantART back in the day, is they acted too late - they allowed the negativity to perpetuate and it is going to bite them in the ass unless they do something positive to course correct this mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agreed. I think most folks would agree with that sentiment. This is why it&#39;s important for the TOS to reflect such.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not really that hard. The problem with Facebook, as with deviantART back in the day, is they acted too late &#8211; they allowed the negativity to perpetuate and it is going to bite them in the ass unless they do something positive to course correct this mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Newks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I think that is important to remember is that a thriving site with a massive userbase and copious amounts of new join-ups everyday will &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; be much more fiscally rewarding than any licensing fees they could charge and in effect turn their userbase away. That&#039;s a lesson myspace and youtube taught us.. there&#039;s a really big lot of money in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I think that is important to remember is that a thriving site with a massive userbase and copious amounts of new join-ups everyday will <i>always</i> be much more fiscally rewarding than any licensing fees they could charge and in effect turn their userbase away. That&#39;s a lesson myspace and youtube taught us.. there&#39;s a really big lot of money in it.</p>
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